i regret that because i don't have my copy of crisis of conscience here i can't complete this post, but someone with a copy please assist me...ray quoted an apology from the worldwide church of god after the passing of their "leader" herbert armstrong.
it really struck me as courageous, responsible, and ever so appropriate given that herb's teachings often were the same in nature as the wts's.
if memory serves it's on page 271 or 272, if not you'll find only one reference to the worldwide church of god in the index.
This comment caught my eye:
We were judgmental and self-righteous—condemning other Christians, calling them "so-called Christians" and labeling them "deceived" and "instruments of Satan."
Sounds very familiar. But I think it will be a cold day in Brooklyn Bethel before we ever see a statement similar to this coming out of the WT.
they are seriously backpeddling, these freakin jackasses!
they have changed their mind about the issue of blood transfusions and have made it a non-disfellowshipping act!
while i never agreed with it to begin with i think this is crazy.
Crinkle, where did you find this little piece? It is true that blood transfusions are now a DA offense. I am just curious where this quote is from.
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the article takes up the whole back page,i don't know if someone already scanned it for us or already commented on it on another thread,so i won't print it out here,unless i get permission from randy or simon.with the new format i don't know if it is ok to share the free minds journal articles on this board for those who don't have a subscription to it.does anyone know if we are allowed to post information like this or not.the posting guidelines # 4 is my concern on copyright materials.. if it's ok i will share some of the points from this article that i think is one of the best written on "the 1914 dilemma".. blueblades.
Blue, how did you search? I would like to read the original posts, but I can't find the one you are talking about.
you take the name of your favourite pet as the first part of your porn-star name, then you take your mothers maiden name for your porn-star surname.. which makes me...george bennet, hmm fairly ordinary i suppose... but her ladyship becomes...poppy male...ah, it works sometimes then!.
this could be good.
englishman.
Buck Naked.
(shamelessly stolen from George "T-Bone" Costanza)
a friend of mine lived in spain for half a year.
he was a witness at that time and he and his wife had a colombian couple over, witnesses too, they lived in the netherlands.
and one night when he was alone, the colombian girl visited him and they slept together.
Sorry, but I just can't muster up too much sympathy for this guy. He cheated on his wife, he's busted. End of story.
make their own decision based on an informed conscience.
a personal decision
) civilian servitude as a substitute for military service would be just as objectionable to the christian.
Thank you sir, for your efforts in putting this material together. This is definitely a keeper. It is plain to see that Witnesses are not guided by their Bible-trained conscience, but by what they are told to do by the organization. The 1998 article is particularly heartless, as you pointed out, in blaming the individual witness, who was merely following Watchtower orders. Yet somehow they are to blame, not the organization
Wedding anniversaries were waffledhandled the same way. For many years celebrating an anniversary was forbidden, then it was made a conscience matter. Do you know of any witness couple whose conscience still will not permit them to celebrate their anniversary? I don't.
hey guys,.
with all the talk lately about micheal jackson, i wanted talk about prince.. a few months ago, hung out with prince.
i was also planning on going to a public talk meeting with him, but i got into town too late.
I did a double take at our circuit assembly a couple years ago as I walked past Prince. He is in our circuit I guess, and there he was. He is hard to miss.
Larry Graham was interviewed at the District Convention last year. I really thought it was incredible how he was used as an example of someone who was able to simplify his life and pioneer. I guess even though I am not a multi-millionaire musician, I should somehow be able to arrange my life to devote more time to the ministry.
i gave my best friend crisis of conscience two weeks ago and she said she probably won't read it.
i hardly have had any contact over the past month because i was fired from where we work.
with every day that passes i worry more and more.
Liberty,
You liked that? thanks! And you are absolutely right about what their response would be. It's like hitting a brick wall. It's God organization, he'll take care of things in his own due time. I had one elder tell me that God allows bad things to happen in the organization to test us. How sick is that? And yet at one time, most of here accepted and agreed with that kind of logic.
i gave my best friend crisis of conscience two weeks ago and she said she probably won't read it.
i hardly have had any contact over the past month because i was fired from where we work.
with every day that passes i worry more and more.
Mackey,
I will chime in only to agree with what others have said. I too have been trying to share what I have learned with a close family member, only to be rebuffed. No amount of pleading, arguing, begging, will have an impact on another person until they are ready to open their mind to an alternative point of view. You could have signed confessions from the Governing Body with photos, that for decades they have ritually abused children while on gambling trips to Las Vegas, using funds from the contributions to the worldwide work to pay hookers and buy Havana cigars while killing small kittens, and this person will dismiss it.
You need to take care of yourself, and be there when your friend does start asking questions.
just got done listening to the mark fuhrman show.
his guest was a lawyer that handles abuse victims that are roc, mormon and 'hovahs.
the groundwork for what happens to 'hovah abuse victims was well laid by the lawyer when furhman took a call from a 'hovah elder named "mike".. poor mike.
Where and when is this show on? Who is Mark Fuhrman? Isn't he the cop from the OJ case?
